Tino costed, and other news
By: dan_c | June 4th, 2011So I’m taking this chance to get a post out before my internet breaks again (this is the first time in a bit I’ve had any.)
I took the opportunity to watch Tino play his (correct me if I’m wrong) first Argentina game against Nigeria in Abuja mid-week. The line-up fielded by Los Albiceleste was largely second-string, as most of the first teamers were rested with the Copa America in mind. This was the last chance for these (mostly) youngsters to win a spot in the Copa squad. And they all threw it away.
The team played like a bunch of startled deer in the headlights of a huge, nigerian truck. The super eagles mauled them with their pace, guile and power. If I wasn’t so chuffed that an African side acquitted itself so well I would have mourned how much shame the Argentines brought to that famous shirt.
Tino, like most of the squad, played lethargically. He was quite slow, missed tackles, lost possession and misplaced passes regularly. While not directly at fault for any of the goals, he really wouldn’t want to remember his debut. His personal highlight came early in the second half, when a rasping, roberto carlos-esque free kick nearly broke the post after taking a deflection. He was subbed soon after, on 58 minutes. On the basis of that game, I will be very surprised if we see him line up against Bolivia on July 2. Pity for him, after a good season for Los Che.
As a piece of side information, the match is being investigated by FIFA after an abnormal amount of bets were placed late in the game (the score was 4-0) that a 5th goal would be scored. Five minutes of added time were awarded, and in the 8th, Argentina were awarded and scored a penalty. All I can say is ladies and gents, this is Africa. Bribery of officials and players is commonplace. I once met South Africa’s top referee, Jerome Damon (who officiated at the World Cup). He told me that the first time he went to officiate an international match in West Africa, three men arrived at his door and offered him $10 000 to favour one side. When he turned it down, they said they understood and offered him 10 cases of whiskey. When he turned that down, they left, and later that day, a prostitute arrived at his hotel door. Crazy, crazy Africa. And damn I love it.
In other news, we finally know why Diego Alves was signed as our beloved and grizzly Cesar signed for those crazy neighbours, the Yellow Submarine, after Valencia reportedly didn’t offer him a contract renewal.
My thoughts, I would say its a good move. As solid as Cesar is, he was becoming more and more unpredictable and unreliable. He is 39 after all. Diego was decent for Almeria. True he did concede more goals than any other keeper last season, but that can’t be blamed on the goalkeeper as much as the defence in front of him. Heurelho Gomez for example, has made awful and horrendous errors in goal for Spurs this season. He is a total clown. But overall he hasn’t conceded millions because Spurs’s defence isn’t too bad. I believe it is the same with Diego. Hopefully he will be a reliable keeper for Los Che for years to come, whether it is as a first team player or bench warmer. I don’t think that overall he will strengthen our starting line-up.
Now let’s all pray that that we start signing players that will significantly strengthen our defence, SIGN KEVIN GAMEIRO PLEASE! and make some decisions on the future of our midfield. The longer we wait, the more likely it is that we will end up starting the season short-staffed. Ture, we are barely a week into the window, but things have got to start happening or I’ll die of boredom!
Amunt
PS. LOL england LOL. No offence to our English Los Che, but seriously, for how much longer is the English media going to keep convincing itself that just because England invented football, rugby, cricket etc. they are automatically favourites and should win every game and every competition, even when they are clearly not at the highest level? Maybe its my anti-establishment rebellious streak against the evil former colonial oppressor, but I got such a dose of joy in my heart when Barnetta netted those two free kicks. Although it would be nice to see some Swiss players in the Switzerland national team for a change.
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@Jafar @Johnnie: Personally I have no problem with this and I think right wing parties bring up the issue of immigration and multiculturalism just to win elections. I think the invention of the EU brought about this issue and now there is no going back.
If people want to get really technical and dont want immigrants or they only want Europe for White Europeans and all that kind of talk, then maybe North America should be given back to the Red Indians and South America to the Incas and Aztecs, and Australia to the Aborigines. And of course, send all the Turks and Arabs back to the Middle East. But thats stupid and not logical
Im sure even the right wing parties in Europe know that any European country depends on immigrants to drive the economy, but that kind of talk “stopping immigration” brings in voters. Multiculturalism is here to stay, people just have to wake up and accept it.
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@Johnnie and Fayez
Firstly I think that racism is stupid, I don’t care if someone is brown yellow or even green we all have eyes,hands and we all live in the same world.
I think national teams represent their countries so when migration happens you will see that in football as well I would love to see that but not too much I don’t want the e.g. German national team to turn into the Turkish one I want a number of Turkish,Polish,German etc. players but not too much of anyone group so it will be a bit like the country.
Whether people like it or not migration and immigration is part of nature and it helps countries economically and socially like in the animal kingdom, but like everything if there is too much it will have some bad effects and may even destroy a country again like the animal kingdom, I can put some numbers and prove things and so on because I once did a school project on this but that isn’t necessary and quite irrelevant to Valencia.
Spain U-19 is through to the next round by drawing against England and Isco(Valencia youth) has been a important member for the team. -
The youth football situation in south africa is very interesting because, although generally the black players have far better natural skill, physical ability and flair (partly to do with underprivileged background meaning that they dont have x-boxes and the like to turn to when bored) but white kids have better technical skills, stamina and tactical understanding, probably because of greater exposure to good training methods in privileged areas. But at the end of the day, majority black players make the PSL (south africa’s top division), but are very inconsistent because of their lack of quality training from a young age.
englands FA recently released an analysis of their youth showing that the players with bags of potential technically but less physical ability are pushed out of the game too early, which affects their national team. The best english players are great physically, but lack technical ability and skill.
In SA it is the exact opposite. SA’s players possess huge ability, but are very inconsistent and very often can’t match up physically to opposition from countries with greater wealth.
Fortunately sides such as Ajax Cape Town are incredible youth academies which are bucking the trend and training hugely skillful players well from a young age. The results are there to see. Most South Africans abroad came through Ajax’s youth academy and then signed for the mother club Ajax Amsterdam. Pienaar and McCarthy are the best examples and watch out for a fantastic new talent Thulani Serero who is following in their footsteps and has just signed For Ajax Amsterdam.
Great to hear the differing stories from our truly global community
as an aside, Argentina B just succumbed to another embarassing defeat to Poland, in which Tino didnt feature. Sadly, it appears, chance missed.
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@Dan_C: You know what I think would be the best solution for England? Why cant the UK be represented by a single team featuring players from Scotland, England, Wales and N Ireland? A team like that would surely compete at the top level.
Anyway there is nothing wrong with being proud that the England invented the game, its a fact
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since you prime ministers finished discussing the EU countries and their problems, why not start talking about global warming?
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@7amanito: LOL, its the next time on the agenda.
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No offense, but i think some of u should check out some neighbourhoods in Berlin, Cologne, Amsterdam or Paris and than think again of immigration in Europe…
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@Johnnie: Im not arguing the pros or cons of immigration mate. Im just saying that if the EU zone wants to continue living in the “luxury” they’re currently living in (if you can call it that), then they have to live with this issue – these immigrants are driving the economy. Otherwise, they should just break the whole idea of the EU and return back to the way they were. Of course, then they’d be far behind the US and China and possibly other emerging economies like India.
It makes no difference to me, as im not a European, but as an outsider I dont think the idea of the EU is working, or its become too big for its own good.
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@ Fayez
EU is a good principle though, it is just executed in the wrong way. They make the basic mistake of thinking all Europeans will be the same, but seen our difficult history that just will not happen, like for example in America. Here are too many different languages, people, cultures, we shouldnt try to make them one we should try to get the best from every culture. I always say the example for that is right underneath their feet, which is Switzerland. We cant go back to how we were, we’d be at war all the time, but we can be a union while preserving our own cultures. We just need to stop thinking we need a centralized EU, something i think is just an ego-thing. -
Bringing football back into this immigration theme,restriction would be a great thing for footbal clubs in general. We should go back to playing a maximum of three foreigners. In that way we dont breed an all powerful Madrid and Barcelona. In the old days, Valencia,Deportivo,Bilbao were always contenders for the Liga title but not anymore.Barcelona can buy 25 top world players guaranteeing shirt sales world wide and guaranteed tv coverage and big money for every match and they become richer and richer. This can be broken of course by Arab billions coming in, but this is not the way to go. The clubs should be given an opportunity to fight back on their own behalf under fairer competion rules…………….Almendras
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Almendras,
i dont think it is about players nationality or something like that, its about the financial inequality. Look at the NBA, the worst team gets the first draft, right? They have a salary cap, differences in budgets are small, all earn well and have proper players. Thats something we could learn of. I must say that system amazes me, for a country like the US, that system is extremely “socialist”
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@Fayez
a GB team wouldn’t work because there are too many problems between each other especially since Scotland wants to be released from it and Ireland fighting for a century so Northern Ireland will be independent.
The team would be stronger but I think most players will be English and the Scottish/Walsh/Irish won’t like that even though they are more suited. It would have work a few years ago but now it won’t also I don’t think they will be able to be a really force like Spain,Holland,Germany, a GB team would definitively be stronger than each of them but England has good players now not Lampard or Gerrard because they aren’t that good anymore but they play badly and it isn’t because of Capello but the players themselves so I think that problem will just continue and be even bigger in a GB team, but if it would work we would have another strong force in football which IMO would be better.The idea the EU has is good but how they practice it is wrong and no one seems to do something about it and I agree with Johnnie but unlike in nature where things are under control unless humans interfere (we are really crap)the migrations needs to be checked and someone has to decide the limits and so on because it is already a big problem of course the economy benefits from it but I think stricter rules need to be made especially here in the UK but those rules won’t be necessary if the government wasn’t so crap.
@Dan I think you need both technical and physical players you need both in a team.@Almendras
That won’t help it is a internal problem that can be solved easily, if the aren’t allowed to have foreign players they will just buy Spanish players with the same result, the problem does not lay with foreign players but with the economic power of those clubs and the bad marketing of the league the problem is purely because of the Spanish clubs e.g. Valencia,Deportivo,Altletico and the RFEF. They need to fix the a lot of things and even basic things because they lose out on a lot of money because the La Liga makes almost 3times less than the Premier League and less than Bundesliga and Serie A.
Valencia makes a bit more than Blackpool in TV revenue and they make the less in the Premier League also mid table such as Newcastle make more money than Valencia and I already said that a lot of teams make more money through sponsorship even though they are a lot worse than us for example Unibet stop sponsoring us even though we are in CL.
Everything lies in the presentation and so the league needs to market itself better and then the club can step in and do extra things to gain more. Also the Spanish media can do something by not just writing about Real and Barca but the whole league, there are a lot of things they should do because they are so much behind everyone I am still waiting for La Liga to hit the 21st century. And Arab money is not a solution in fact it just proves how pathetic Spain is and I for one don’t want our debt to go by some billionaire buying the club I prefer the team to work hard for it and earn it and then people and the world will look differently at Valencia with a lot more respect and so players might prefer us over another team because of that. Anyway the clubs,RFEF,media and fans all need to work on it to improve and make La Liga a competitive league but of course Barca and Real don’t want that and their fans and their media but the RFEF has to start for the rest to begin. -
Diego Alves was considered one of the best keepers in La Liga last year by some experts.
this means Guiata not ready to lead a team the entire season?
I think he is.
my 2 questions:
How close are Los Che getting Klose?
and is Mata outta here for Liverpool?
thanks again!
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Diego Alves is great keeper but I think Guaita will be the first keeper instead of Alves.
Klose isn’t going to come it’s just some story ”Bild” and some other newspaper/magazine made up because there is no reason to get him plus he wants high wages and why would we sell better players with high wages and then get him the whole story doesn’t make sense plus Valencia denies anything.
And Liverpool is interested in Mata but any story about him being interested in going there or him agreeing in personal terms with the club or anything like that is not true in fact they still haven’t contacted Valencia and Mata told him that he is not planning to leaving and Llorente(Valencia president) said that we don’t need and don’t want to Mata but if they would offered enough we will sell him but I think he will stay. -
@Jw thats how the Nfl works the nba is similar but the worst 15 teams go into a lottery and then picks are determined the nba is in a bad way only the big market teams are making money they will have a lock out in the offseason…why no draft in la liga im joking
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comes down to this. Every country is racist. Nobody likes change. Dont beleive me.. look at your country and ask yourself how are imigrants treated here.
Over all i think Europe in general treats imigrants pretty damn well considering the countries those immigrants left.
Now back to football.
I really want to see Guaita stay our number 1. I was sorry to see Cesar go really.. cause he was the epic old man. But i would really love to see him in Villareal.
It would be great to see more trades between Villareal Levante and Valencia cf. Valencia should loan out to Levante Isco and such… that way we can keep a close eye and help out our neighbor at the same time.
AMUNT VALENCIA!
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Agree …how can malga buy part of Isco if he is under contract with us?
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Jafar,
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Sooo another day as a Valencia fan, most probably the transfer of Gameiro wont happen cause a) they want to much, b) like always, we are cheap bastards and dont have money. Another Sneijder, Van der Vaart, Cristiano Ronaldo or Hernandez… Personally i dont mind, i think Jonas can be our big surprise next year!!!
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The English did not create football!!!! The Scottish started playing football first but it was the English that, I guess you could say published it. Also I was watching the Spain friendly’s recently and one question sprang to mind. Why is David Silva so under-rated? I’m pretty sure Man.City would have struggled to get into the top four without him. And I think he is Spain’s best midfielder.
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