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By: Cesar | October 7th, 2007
I didn’t watch the game against Espanyol yesterday (surprise, huh?).
Domestic duties in upstate New York kept me from meeting up with reader Daniel at our local football pub.
But I’m kind of happy I didn’t see this latest debacle at the Mestalla.
The readers are what make this blog go. So I figured I’d spotlight some of the comments emanating from the blogosphere and various Internet sites mixed with my own comments in this blog post about our beloved, slowly losing their grip on their vaulted reputation.
First off, reader Ali from the United Arab Emirates had this to say after the game:
‘We just lost 2-1 against Espanyol. Just finished watchin the game…
-All our players did was play from the sides with high high shots from the left mostly and i’m sure Espanyol’s goalkeeper (isma’el.. i think) is thanking Angulo and Arizmendi for the practice they gave him…’
Really, what was coach Quique Sanchez Flores (known as QQ from here forward) thinking benching Joaquin and David Silva for the tag team champions of Arizmendi (isn’t he a striker?) and Angulo? Ok, we did have a Champions League match against Chelsea 3 days ago and some of the team is quite tired. But we’re trying to gain some traction after a tough loss, no?
Was he resting the lads so they’d be fresh for the Spanish squad? Doing national team coach Luis Aragones a favor?
Was he applying the rotation system often used by old gaff Rafa Benitez? What? Because I don’t really understand it.
I say this because Valencia’s system is so utterly predictable: No creativity in the midfield, all balls thrown into the wings and balls lofted into the box for 8-foot-tall Zigic to bring down or diminutive Villa to latch on to.
The play these days is so inept and unsurprising.
More from Ali:
-the second goal was exactly the same goal villarreal scored… our defense were watchin the game (just as if they were spectators) and Luis garcia sneaked between Alexis and Raul Abiol and they left hildebrand in a position not a lot of goalkeepers wish to be put in.
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: We sure miss Ayala. How inept is our defense these days? Miguel looked like he stayed out too late last night, Albiol must have joined him in celebrating his national team call-up and Alexis still hasn’t fully adapted. Awful.
Poster Mestalla from forum Xtratime.com sums up the defense well:
You’d think Albiol, Alexis, Helguera and Marchena are enough. It’s not the defenders, it’s Quique’s tactics and positioning on defence. Benitez used to have five different styles of defending. With Lola Flores everything looks random.
*Sigh*
Poster Emil had this to say about my blog posts:
… you very rarely see anything positive.
You mostly talk about “Quique, vete ya” and those sort of things. OK, we haven’t been playing superb football for 90 minutes in any game yet. But we were undefeated in the whole of September and actually played amazingly the first half against Getafe and we were very good against Schalke 04.
Continue blogging because you’re doing a great job. But please, try to be more positive sometimes.
You’re a great writer and that’s why I read everything you write but I often get depressed afterwards.
I guess it’s nice to know I have an effect on readers, huh?
Look, I love this club. As reader Ali said in response to Emil, I have ‘high expectations’ for the squad. We’re pretty good, yes. But don’t you guys think we should be doing better with the squad at hand? We have world-class players and are scraping together wins against the likes of Almeria and Getafe and getting squashed by Chelsea and Espanyol.
We should be better. There’s nothing more to say than this.
I understand the crowd’s reaction (watch the video here) to QQ’s managing style. They’re screaming ‘QQ VETE YA!’ because they’re as angry as I am. They’re upset at a lack of organization, passion and ruthless killer instinct. You know, things shown by Chelsea and Espanyol at the Mestalla this week. If my opinion or the opinion of the Mestalla faithful makes some people angry, so be it. We anticipate better results. And we’re angry …
Oh, there’s better news. This, from the newswires:
Striker David Villa is out of Spain’s Euro 2008 qualifier against Denmark on Oct. 13 after straining his left ankle during Valencia’s 2-1 defeat at home to Espanyol in the Primera Liga on Saturday.
Valencia said a scan on Sunday had confirmed that Villa had suffered an intermediate ligament strain which would put him out of action for between two and three weeks.
They added that the 25-year-old was no longer required to hook up with the national side on Monday when they meet to prepare for the Denmark match in Aarhus and a subsequent friendly against Finland.
Spain are second in Group F, level on 19 points with leaders Sweden who have played a game less. Northern Ireland are third with 16 points and Denmark, who have a game in hand, are fourth with 14.
Villa out for a few weeks. Now, we all saw Zigic play last night (well, I didn’t. But, ya know …).
I’m giving the lad time. He’s going to be fine. But yesterday, he looked awful. As reader Polo from Xtratime said, ‘You can’t grade Zigic’s performance today when he played ONLY 15 minutes with Villa….the game plan totally broke down when Villa got injured, I am sure Zigic thought he was going to play alongside Villa for the whole game.’
And it’s not like he got efficient service from Arizmendi and Angulo. Fair enough. We let him adapt to the style (whatever style it is that QQ implements) and give him the benefit of the doubt.
But not having Villa around will be a problem. He’s such an important part of the team. Just look at this wonderful video of the game ‘highlights’ and note Villa’s near goal in the first half. Wonderful run, great dekes, good shot on goal. He’s such class and his loss will be felt in the upcoming games against Deportivo and Sevilla.
A few more comments to round out the post.
First, BigSoccer.com poster DavidVilla7 summed it up well:
It was just one of those days..
Marchena was dreadful, everything he touched went to waste.
Arizmendi and Zigic…. they would have been better off blind folded.
Villa was second best player on the pitch and he only lasted 17 mins….
Baraja had his moments and was about the only promising thing of the night.
Joaquin didnt do much expect for throwing his body onto the floor everytime the opposition came within a meter of him.
Miguel ran out of steam after 35 mins.
As for Morientes, well i would rather that Zigic came off and El Moro stayed on the bench as well, and we played with 10 men.
Maybe I’m being a bit harsh. After all we did have a tough Champions league match week only 3 days ago, but at this level, its just not good enough…
You’re right. It’s not good enough.
And one last one, from the man of the hour, QQ himself. Take it away, maestro!!
Valencia manager QQ was disappointed (ya? Is he?) with their 2-1 loss against Espanyol at the Mestalla stadium on Saturday, but told reporters that he feels his team still have room for improvement. (Room for improvement?? C’mon! That was 3 years ago, not now!)
“Our perspective is that there are many things to improve on. We haven’t played to our full potential so far this season, we have played poorly, and at this moment things aren’t going our way,” Quique explained to reporters.
The manager feels that Valencia have been extremely vulnerable this season, particularly in defense, and their inconsistency has really affected them.
According to Quique one of their main problems is that after they go ahead, like on Saturday against Espanyol, they fall asleep, and this allows their opponents to turn around the result afterwards.
“I like the team when the fans like the team,” said Quique. “If the fans protest, I also protest, I see the same things as them.” (So you mean, you want to fire yourself?)
The manager told reporters that he will not look for any excuses for his team’s poor showing, and added that when his team lose or play badly he feels he is the main person who is responsible for this. (Let me make this clear: You are responsible for this!)
Well, that’s it for now.
Thanks for the comments and let’s hope we get out of this rut. QQ or not, we’ll survive. AMUNT!
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One thing u gotta admire about old QQ… at least he realizes that he’s responsible for the garbage we’re playing. Which leads to a larger question, If you know that it’s your fault that we’re in a mess you’re probably trying to improve it right? Clearly you’re efforts are insufficient. Conclusion? QQ is a well intending true Valencian who unfortunately can’t do the job. It’s like me pulling on Villa’s shirt next week and saying “Don’t worry guys! I love this team! I want us to win! I’ll help out!” As well meaning as I might be, clearly I don’t have the quality to be Villas replacement. QQ needs to realize that he does not have the tactical acumen to be coach of Valencia, and if we continue to suck like this over the next few weeks he should graciously step down and make room for a hopefully still available Jose.
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i think Soler loves QQ for somereason.. and i think we should play against Barca and lose 4-0 or maybe 5-1 and then he will realise omg i need to replace QQ.. or maybe QQ will give him that concetrated face tht says ” im trying my best to find whats the problem don’t talk to me” ( when his eyebrows tie up together to form a bridge ) and Soler might say i think u got it! letts give u a chance. and before you know it we are in 7th place in La Liga with all our pros players, and then Van Der Vaart will say hmm thank god i didn’t move to tht stinking team… Ouch tht is going to break my heart into 4 pieces,, its broken into 2 right now…
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i posted this elsewhere but i think its also relevant here so ill post it again.
Ok i just figuerd i would start a thread to explain a little about Valencia fans and fans in general since some people here i have noticed are up in arms at some open critisisms of Valencia CF the team, the players and of course the management staff.
let me start off with teh comment that we dont know how to be fans. I think thats just a silly thought since valencia fans are in my opinion great fans and highly .. if not reliegously devoted to Valencia. I live breath and die valencia. I am Che i was born bred and bled valenciano. very few people on this foum can boast those credicials. valencia fans are emotionally in love with Valencia and just like when your love of your life does something like fail you or dissapoint you it just hurts that much deeper. Thats how Valencia fans feel. we feel a little betrayed.. like our loved one oesnt care how we feel .. doesnt care what we think.
So we arent bad fans.. we are the greatest fans of all. no matter what we love Valencia. But dont claim to be a better fan because you accept the team performing badly when we critisize it. They are both forms of appreciation. One is blind the other is active. I would not sit idly by while my wife drove a car into a wall. And neither will i sit by and not shout at my team when they choke.
Name one of us who wouldnt still go to a game even if we were on a losing streak. I know i would.. but if we lost i would still shout at the Coach to fix it or leave. We arent mad at the coach for losing a game well. We are mad at teh coach for losing a game and still making excuses. Many a time i watched Valencia Valiently lose. and i still applauded the effort… right now we are losing and nobody seems to care fromt he bench. Thats what we find infuriating.
Look at Vicente.. in my opinion one of our greatest Che. He critisized the medical staff not because he hates Valencia and the team but because he is frustrated and wants change.
But know this, that even so i still buy the gear every season.
I still hang on every word from every player.
I still watch and go to the games.
I still live breath and die with Valencia.
Because Valencia is my family.and anybody who feels anything less has no idea what it means to be a Valenciano
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Nicely put Javier. I think to be blindly devoted to a club, that is to never raise a finger of doubt, is the wrong way to be a fan. I’m not saying that you should always put a club under some kind of Chinese water torture regardless of circumstances, but when a team is playing poorly it really should be a fan’s duty to at least ask the question ‘why?’ Because if you don’t, then you have to wonder why exactly you are a fan in the first place and if you even care. Of course, we may have different perspectives on what exactly the problem is, but then again that is what discussion is all about.
Cesar, as for your statement that Ayala is missed, sure, he is, but for me his in the past. I wasn’t terribly happy with how he treated the club in the end – if he cared so much he would have said ’sell me when you can get a transfer fee’, but that doesn’t detract that he’s a very good player. And for those of you who think if Ayala would have played against Chelsea this time and he would have stopped Drogba from scoring, well, he didn’t the last time at Stamford Bridge. Have some of you forgotten already? here’s a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MKAnffkaHQ
(the bonus is that you get to relive the sweet Silva goal)yes, that was Ayala who was beaten on a mistake so that Drogba could equalize during last year’s competition. So, come on people, cut Albiol some slack and give Drogba some credit as well. I’m happy that Albiol has been named to the national squad, he deserves it. In my opinion he was better than Ayala some matches last year, not often, but he was.
I guess it’s a bit difficult to have discussions on a blog, probably better served in a forum, but still, the blog at least provides a perspective that people can think about. Thanks to Cesar to acknowledging the different opinions without trying to be judge, jury, and hangman all at the same time.
Oh and thanks to the people who comment. You make the blog more interesting – not that it isn’t – but it adds more spice for a reader.
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To Daniel,
In response to your comment, “QQ needs to realize that he does not have the tactical acumen to be coach of Valencia, and if we continue to suck like this over the next few weeks he should graciously step down and make room for a hopefully still available Jose.”
Jose is not and will not be available to anyone for at least 1 yr. He signed a non-compete clause when he got his $40mil US. to resign. But if the “Special One” was avail. he would not come to Valencia. He would go to a bigger club. So lets put the Jose Mourinho stuff to rest. (bury it right next to the whinings of not having Sneidjer.)
To Ali,
“before you know it we are in 7th place in La Liga with all our pros players,…” check the standings and see who is in 15th place for that matter. Sevilla and their all beloved coach Juande Ramos who before the season was on his way to having a huge contract with Tottenham, no one is calling for his head at los rojiblancos. Capello last year started poorly with Real Madrid, but they still won the title. So hold on to your 7th place prediction, were in 4th and likely on the move up not down, even if you don’t like QQ Sanchez, they have yet to finish outside the top 4.
To the Valenica-blooded Javier de Roque,
Your comments describing the QQ,
“We arent mad at the coach for losing a game well. We are mad at teh coach for losing a game and still making excuses.”
When you have to go to a press conference after a loss, your gameplan foiled after 20 mins with your best player possibly out for an extended period of time, and the press asks, “Why did you lose today QQ?” He has to give a answer. When he is asked, “QQ why is your team not playing like last season?”
He has to give an answer.
He’s not making excuses, he is thinking out loud of reasons why. Why is this group not playing properly. Maybe they need more cohesion. Time together to learn each others habits.I have the passion for the club myself, and no matter what place in the standings they are in, I will support them(unless they sold David Villa). Having said that Im a crazy fanatic too, Im also an extremist. “I’M THE ONLY ONE ON THIS BLOG THAT STILL SUPPORTS QQ!”
Just put this in perspective, The team has highs and lows. Its early, and now 2x’s your calling for QQ’s head.
He has 1win & 1loss in the CL, and 5wins & 2 losses in la liga.In closing,
All account falls on the players. They need to perform, and need to be in better positioning on defense. The goals on the weekend is just terrible defending, and 2 times Albiol got beat the same way, once by Drogba and once by Luis Garcia. His positioning was terrible and his recovering speed is as quick as a snail. Not bad coaching that is a fault all on the player.
The coaching fault is having Albiol in the game. The management’s fault is keeping him on the squad, and not getting a replacement, the teams GK’s fault for not speaking Spanish and NOT telling him to get closer.
Aplause to Angulo for playing a great match though.
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Franky, come on, you honestly think it’s easy to compare Ramos with Quique? People aren’t calling for Ramos’s head for the simple reason: He’s had success.
Ramos has won: 2 UEFA Cups, 1 Super Cup, 1 Copa Del Rey, and 1 Spanish Super Cup.
-Essentially, Sevilla’s greatest period is happening under his watchful eye. Right now.Quique has won: Well…. what has he won?
-And winning absolutely nothing buys you what exactly? Patience?Plus I don’t any team can simply write off the death of Puerta with a simple shrug and say “okay, well, Puerta’s dead, but we’ve got a season of football to play, so let’s do our best”. Can it be that easy? Should it be that easy?
Franky, I have nothing against you being a Quiquista, although it’s a position I can’t understand, and I do find your comments to interesting reads, but to compare Ramos to Quique thinking they should be treated equally is a bit insane. Really, it is.
Oh and apologies to Ali if he wanted to say the same thing, since it was Ali’s point you were addressing.
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Ahhhh, one sentence should read “I don’t think any team can simply write-off….” while another should read “…and I do find your comments to be interesting reads, but to compare….”.
Brain thinks faster than fingers can type…..
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I almost cried when i watched the game because valencia lost and it was as if they didn’t even care. Why Arezmendi is on this team God only knows because he is not valencia material, the Guy didn’t complete one pass. If you are going to buy arizmendi why sell aimar????? That’s the biggest mistake valencia made, you dont see barca selling dinho or messi for having one bad season. I think Valencia need to let quique go because we havn’t played consistently sinds he has been here, and if we keep him we wil self destruct. I am a valencia fan sinds 1999/2000 and I havn’t seen the team defent worse than this. People not many teams have a Joaquin,Villa,Vicente,Silva and Zigic on their team. One problem QQ has is that he is to scared to go for a game. When valencia play a big game they always play defensive you will never see manuel fernandes or baraja or edu when he is fit again wwhen we are playin chelsea barca or madrid its because he is scared to lose. Against Chelsea we played marchena and Albelda in my opinion to defensive the best way to defend is to attack and i am only sayin that valencia have the players to attack more than they do we just dont use them too wel. Look at Joaquin how defensive he has become sinds joining valencia that’s way he is not on his best form. The only way we can get better is when qq leaves.
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Sry but i feel i should respond to this comment
“Just put this in perspective, The team has highs and lows. Its early, and now 2x’s your calling for QQ’s head.
He has 1win & 1loss in the CL, and 5wins & 2 losses in la liga.”In most cases i would agree with yout this is not a bad record. If i hadnt been watching the games and also who they were playing against. The Schalke game was decent and the Chelsea game was decent. All the liga matches we won we probably should not have and so far the only solid team we have come against in teh liga is Villareal. 2 of those teams were second devision last season.
Barely beating weak teams is not a good record.But im not saying ditch QQ cause of the record. It not about that its about HOW we play. He makes piss poor decisions and latched on to weak players that arent performing (arizmendi). He leaves star players on the bench when they should be playing. And hasnt had a solid gameplan other than pass to Silva Pass to Joaqin to cross to Villa this season.
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Javier,
When you talk about Arizmendi, we know you hate this guy… but he is a new signing, and he is trying him out to see if this guy can produce like he did last season. When Morientes played for Liverpool, he couldnt find the net. Comes to Valencia as was able to ressurect his National Team career by earning a call up before he got injured last season. I dont like the way Arizmendi playes either, but he didnt play against Schalke or Chelsea, did he?
QQ knows what his best line up is, but he also knows he has depth in the wings and forward positions and he is trying a rotation like benitez at liverpool. He is trying to get all of them to earn their paychecks and their spots. Not only that he is trying to keep all his players fresh. Its a long season, a long 50+ game season.
Did you know Silva is injured going into the National team call-up with a muscle soreness? Because Silva has played and started in every Spain national team game, Preseason game, Champions League Qualifier, and La Liga game since August. And except for starting the Espanyol game he has still played (70 mins.) Rotation is the only way to keep him and other players fresh. Valencia also belives in keeping Spanish as the backbone of the team, not europeans like Sevilla, and that has hurt them with call-ups for the national team. (7 this week!). Arizmendi needs more experience with his teammates and needs to work harder cause he is giving us all headaches with his play. If we can see that he is the man who helps these players play beautifully, jose mourinho got fired because he couldnt get Chelsea to play attractive football, but its hard when your best players are injured [[Villa, Fernandes, Albelda, Vicente (you all say him, not me)] and players who need breaks from tough play, and need rest before they start and play for their national team next week in (Silva, Joaquin and Villa)Posted from
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excellent!t
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